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sigyn_halja ([personal profile] sigyn_halja) wrote2014-05-25 11:24 pm
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Just get over it

"Because it's cute" and "because they look cute together" are perfectly good reasons to ship something. "They never interacted in Canon but I think they'd get along great because of their personalities" is a perfectly good reason to ship something. "It's interesting", "it's funny" and "they're my favourite characters" are all perfectly good reasons to ship something.
"I ship them because" is a perfectly good reason to ship something. 
The important thing is writing and reading good fanfictions, drawing and looking at good fanarts, making and watching good fanvideos. Why do we have to question everybody and their reasons and say that they aren't "good fans" or "true fans" or whatever when we could just lay back and enjoy shipping in all its shapes?

[identity profile] sigyn-medea.livejournal.com 2014-06-01 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Njord is the most awesome dad in Norse mythology - and I'm not just saying that because the only other dads I can think of are Odin, Thor and Loki! XD Seriously, there's this part in the Lokasenna were Loki is insulting Freya and going "shut up, I fucked you and he fucked you and everybody else fucked you" and Njord is just being there all unimpressed and "WTF is wrong with you, bitch. My daughter is awesome and she can fuck anybody she likes". And Loki can't find a better comeback than "but you like watersports trololol".
Yay for sex positive Vanir daddies! \O/

(I love the Lokasenna from the bottom of my heart and I think it shows)

I had also thought about Balder, as he kinda has everything: universally adknowledged good guy status, wife and a kid. But I don't think Loki could get to the end without killing him - yes, even as a llama! XD


Marvel!Loki confuses me deeply. O-O I started going "wtf horns" when I first saw an image from the comics, then I started occasionally reading fanfics about the movies and I went "wtf everything". Oh well, at least the fanfics have all the incest and the smut.

[identity profile] geilie11.livejournal.com 2014-06-01 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I totally agree about Njord. To be honest, I wouldn't expect anything else from someone who had children with his sister, would you? And that reminds me: Aesir are too damn strict, they should learn to relax a little and enjoy life (and marriage, and sex) a bit more. Well, not that they don't, but still: nobody beats Njord. I bet he's the most serene of the lot.
Not even Baldr can be more peaceful than the guy who lives by the sea and fishes all day long. (And yes, Baldr would definitely end up dead even if Loki happened to be a llama, the poor useless sod. XD)
Btw, guess what? The Lokasenna is probably my favourite part of the Edda(s)! I swear one day I'll learn it by heart, 'cause it's just too good not to. *_*

Meanwhile, can you put up with me loving Marvel!Loki even with those ridiculous horns and the black hair and everything? He's snarky, I like that. Moreover, he's not the Loki, but he's a Loki, and to me hearing that name is reason enough to fall deeply and irrevocably in love. It's one hell of a handicap, I know... XD Can you forgive me? <3

[identity profile] sigyn-medea.livejournal.com 2014-06-02 11:20 am (UTC)(link)
I've always thought the Aesir were pretty damn prudish when it came to this sort of stuff - well, more prudish than the Vanir, for sure. Like, in my heacanons they're the kind of people who have any sort of sexual escapades but try too keep it as a dirty little secret and always act all judging and holier-than-thou towards whoever does the same more openly.
The only ones I can think of who would probably be more open and relaxed are Thor and Sif. I really like the idea of Thor adknowledging both Modi and Magni and Ullr.

The Lokasenna is a masterpiece, and Lokasenna!Loki is best Loki - so bitchy and sassy and "dude I'm drunk I don't give a fuck". <3
Balder is like the most useless character in the Eddas. I swear, reading the story of his death with everybody mourning him like he was their BFF for the first time was a little like watching that episode of Torchwood with the alien who modifies everybody's memories and pretends to have just been there all along. XD

Honey, I may be the one who bitches about mythological accuracy all the time, but rest assured that I have my guilty pleasures too. XD *cough* Xena, Hercules, the first two seasons of Merlin, Camelot, The Allmighty Johnsons ... *cough* And I can read about and appreciate Marvel!Loki as a character, even if he'll never be Loki to me - not in the way Runemarks!Loki and Valhalla!Loki are still Loki to me.
Basically, who am I to judge fannish love? ;) <3

[identity profile] geilie11.livejournal.com 2014-06-03 11:16 am (UTC)(link)
Your headcanon is my headcanon. In other words, prudish!Aesir and happily-frolicking-naked!Vanir is exactly how I see things, too. And of course, the other one who's actually not-so-prudish-after-all is Loki himself, but he's something akin to sex incarnated (and he's not Aesir), so he doesn't really count. Thumbs up for Thor & Sif, instead!

About Baldr and that episode of Torchwood? I couldn't agree more! The guy doesn't even have a proper role as a god, and yet there they are, all mourning and crying for poor beautiful Baldr, loved and cherished by everyone and everything. As if they weren't throwing sticks&stones at him for kicks just seconds before... Bah.

Fannish love rules! <3 Oh my, oh my. *w* Xena and Hercules I haven't watched in years (I did, though, of course I did), but Merlin, for all its crappy accuracy and plot-twists, I loved and love it. I have yet to watch The Almighty Johnsons, but it's in my to do list, natürlich. And Camelot. My goodness, I thought I'd never meet someone who'd actually seen the whole thing! I did it all for Eva Green and Ralph Fiennes. *no shame* XD
I don't know Valhalla!Loki (yet), but I'm totally in love with American Gods!Loki, to add to your list. <3

[identity profile] sigyn-medea.livejournal.com 2014-06-03 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Loki clearly is that guy who did everything with everyone and still loves rubbing all your embarassing sexual mishaps in your face because that's how much of a troll he is. XD

... Now I'm getting Torchwood!AU plot-bunnies. WTF.
You know, I think Balder is named somewhere in the Merseburg Charms, and he's a much more active character in Gesta Danorum - but damn, he simply pops up completely out of the blue in the Eddas! XD
Actually, one of my oldest and craziest heacanons (as in: I read the myth for the first time and this is what my mind instantly came up with) is that Balder was so much of a Gary Stu that everyone just took the first chance available to throw rocks and pointy things at him. XD Then after his death everybody felt guilty (or at least pretended to, to keep up appearences) and went "omg no I loved him!!11".

I liked Merlin in the first few seasons: the humor was fun, the inaccuracy was hilarious (I remember one Sir Tristan who was a zombie, looked kinda like a Nazgul and stole the Green Knight's dramatic entrance), the plot was pretty vague and one big "wait a sec" (dude how do you expect Arthur to warm up to magic if the only magic he ever sees is evil wizards trying to kill him? And wouldn't the dragon be better off helping the evil wizards instead of waiting for Arthur to fulfill his destiny or whatever?), the magic was lol-worthy New Age stuff complete with Ancient Languages & Glowing Eyes, and the main characters were just oozing bromance.
Then the show started to take itself seriously, the authors went "oh wait wasn't Guenevere Arthur's wife?!" and cut off all the lovely Merlin/Gwen and Morgana/Gwen shippiness (and also some of the Arthur/Merlin, if you ask me), Morgana went crazy and Morgause suddenly appeared out of the blue like in some soap-opera, and ... I don't know, in the end I just found it boring. I half wanted to stick around to see how they would handle Druid!Mordred, but it seemed they just forgot about him ...
The Almighty Johnsons ... I've seen just a couple of episodes and I don't yet if it's brilliant or a mess. I dislike the way most female characters are handled, and the "find the Frigg" plotline is utter crack - but some of the jokes are hilarious and four of the male main characters are pretty brothers who are screwed up in many many ways and have a lot of unresolved issues with each other. And the fifth main character is their irresponsible hippy grandpa.

Camelot! ** It could have been so good, If only the authors had bothered. ç-ç Eva was stunning and brilliant and basically the best and most sympathetic character, and Ralph was a surprising and really entertaining Merlin. And I loved the magic, even the whole pseudo-Wiccan thing with the pentacle and the mirrors. And then I loved Sybill and Viviane and Kay and Gawain - though I still think that, if you bother to have a Gawain, you should also bother with Morgause and all her other kids.
On the other hand, I loathed Arthur and Guenevere. Not because they were "too young for the part" or anything, but because they were just so unbelievable and badly written. Heck, I ended up shipping Arthur/Morgan much more than Arthur/Guenevere since the very first episode!

Valhalla is awesome: it's got a great Loki who basically lives with Thor and Sif and occasionally with whoever will give him food for free, an awfully petty Odin (who plays chess with Mimir's head!), and some wonderful female characters (Roskva! Sif! Freya! <3). I have some scans on dropbox, I could pass you the links. <3

I've been wanting to read American Gods for AGES. *-*

[identity profile] geilie11.livejournal.com 2014-06-04 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
He is, and that's why I love him. One of the many reasons why, at least. XP

Yeah, you know, the eagerness with which everyone just starts throwing pointy things at that poor bastard as soon as they get a chance always struck me as suspicious, if nothing else. I get the party hard mood, I get that putting together gods and alcohol usually means trouble, but I too think that Baldr was too much of a golden boy to be truly loved by anyone. Except his overprotective mother, and probably his wife, rest her soul. It wouldn't even be that unlikely for them to feign grief afterwards, in Asgard they certainly love their little lies...

Merlin was fun, indeed! The first two seasons were a blast, with all their stupidity and humour and bromance and whatnot... Then, oh, then they thought "why don't we pour a drop of angst in the mix?" and they must have dropped the whole freaking bottle, 'cause it became a lot darker and even less plausible than before. Worse than that, what everyone was waiting for since the first episode, i.e. the magic reveal, happened in the most anticlimatic way EVER in the last ten minutes of the series finale. Right after Camlann. Camlann. Camlann as in Arthur's-final-battle-WHERE-HE'S-MORTALLY-WOUNDED. I mean, WTF? What about "let's all teach Arthur how magic can be beautiful and good so he can rule in peace and be the great king he's destined to be"?
I swear, it was a very sad ending, but I was just laughing and laughing in disbelief. XD It would have been better if they'd really forgot about Mordred, anyway, but they fucked up badly with him instead. And with Morgana. She was so beautiful, at the beginning, and then they morphed her into this kind of... psycho-witch, acting with not a single grain of logic. Just hilarious. XD

The Almighty Johnsons sounds like a lot of funny crap, that's why I'm saving it for a rainy day. Well, more like a rainy week: there's a limit to the number of episodes I can watch in a single day, whether I like it or not. XD

I totally agree with you about Camelot! Totally! The magic felt real, for a change, and I loved that. I loved the fact that it really came with a prize, a very high one, and that Merlin's talents were more of the strategic and make-believe kind than anything else. I loved Morgan, I loved many of the secondary characters, but Arthur and Guenevere? My goodness, they couldn't make them worse if they tried! I would have put Kay on the throne in a heartbeat, if I had a choice. He was cute. u_u

Ooooh, would you really pass me the links? *_* I'd love it. I'm really looking forward to read some of the comics, I've got a feeling that I'm gonna love that particular take on the characters very very much indeed. <3

As for American Gods, I've got it (in english, of course) as an ebook, if you'd like. ^^ It's a wonderful novel, with a wonderful BAMF Odin and a perfect son-of-a-bitch Loki and a marvellous assortment of very well modernized deities. I think you'll literally wolf it down, references to norse myths or not. ;)

[identity profile] sigyn-medea.livejournal.com 2014-06-04 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
There are WAY too many reasons to love him! XD

Nobody parties as hard as Norse gods! XD But yeah, I’ve always thought Balder made almost everybody around him uncomfortable, really. Poor guy was either really lonely or just too much of a naive and innocent Purity Sue too notice. Anyway, it would make for a really interesting death!fic …

Merlin really fucked up when it tried to go all Darker & Edgier. It did get angstier, but it didn’t get any deeper or more complex, and that made the flimsy plot and weird changes in the characters stand out even more. And Morgan … oh, poor Morgan! ç-ç They could have fleshed out her relationship with Uther and Arthur more, talk more about her past and use her friendship with Gwen to give more depth to both characters … but no, clearly they couldn’t make her into a villain and keep her IC at the same time. *snort*

I hope The Almighty Johnsons doesn’t go the same route as Merlin, really. Right now it’s all light-hearted fun where you can switch off you brain and just look at the incest-inspiring eye-candy - though it does have some problematic stuff. But at least for now I can forgive the problematic stuff because there are references to minor gods like Ullr and Hod (heck, I even remember a joke about Frigg shagging Vili and Ve!) and a hilarious spin-off somewhere on YouTube about the hippy grandpa’s not-so-plausible youth stories.

I seriously loved stuff like Morgan killing Uther (I think she was grinding bones in a bowl or something?) and meeting the wolf-demon-spirit-thing. I absolutely adore that kind of traditional, folk-ish magic, like in Pan’s Labyrinth or bookverse!Stardust. It just feels truer and more natural, less fake than other kinds of flashy, glamorous magic with glowing special effects and colourful smoke and hissing Super Special Ancient Tongues. Magic based on belief and the reality-warping that comes with it is also a huge turn-on for me, like in The Wee Free Men by Terry Pratchett.

I thought the way Morgan struggled with magic was really believable and deliciously creepy, and it made Merlin’s life choices much more understandable - excuses for not using magic like “power corrupts” and “if you use magic selfishly it will ruin your karma” get old super fast, but this was really great. Merlin having to rely more on his wits than on his powers made him more human and interesting to watch - and it made the frozen lake scene so intriguing, because it basically said “this is what this guy is when he’s not holding back, and it’s scary”.

Just sent you the links, honey. Tell me if you have any problem. <3

I’d be soo happy if you could pass me the ebook! *-*